These pieces of software are clearly notable. dcclark ( talk) 06:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Reply Please respect Wikipedia guidelines. VersionTracker entry Also > 100,000 downloads Adium forums (as well as related projects) Note > 6000 users I hope that this helps establish the credibility of the article. Review at Macworld (Read the whole article as well, Adium is declared "top notch") MacUpdate entry Note the > 100,000 downloads. Note that adding some of this information would nearly be advertising ("MacWorld says that Adium is top notch!"), and so shouldn't be added: dcclark ( talk) I further submit these links, which do not belong on the article page, as evidence. Do note, however, that Adium is listed under "Mainstream". Incidentally, you may wish to check out the List of instant messengers - presumably nearly every messenger there should be questioned for notability. I still feel that this information does NOT belong on the article page, but I hope it shows you that Adium is indeed notable. You may notice that the peak was above 100,000 downloads/month, and it is typically around 2000-3000 downloads/month. Perfecto 04:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Reply I have added (as an example) a link to the SourceForge download statistics. Do you have independent proof? Cite proof so no one can say you're making things up. I've tagged Fire and Proteus now - Do you have more? BTW, a "three most popular" claim is best served with a citation. (If people feel that the references to the other two programs are inappropriate for the lead paragraph, please feel to change it.) - bdesham ★ 03:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Reply See Wikipedia:Notability (software) for the inclusion criteria. Could you suggest what sort of things would sufficiently expand the article for you? Additionally, I mentioned before: why don't Fire or Proteus have similar tags? - dcclark ( talk) 03:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Reply I have added the following sentence to the article: "It is now one of the three most popular instant messaging programs for OS X, along with Fire and Proteus." I think this establishes Adium's notability pretty firmly. They are good examples of notability, but they aren't useful in the article itself. The article should not cite "over 1 million google hits" or "This is the only OS X messenger which Gtalk references". Perfecto 00:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Reply I provided a good bit of evidence about why Adium is notable, but none of it belongs in the article. See Wikipedia:Notability (software)" I found no proof of its notability in the current article. GregChant 19:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC) Reply Just as the the tag said, " please expand the article to establish notability, citing reliable sources. Do we need additional proof? Incidentally - why do Fire and Proteus not have a Notability template as well? - dcclark ( talk) 16:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC) Reply I agree. Likewise, Gizmo Project's only supported 3rd-party tool is Adium.Īdium has also spawned Growl, another notable piece of software. As a random example, Adium is the only third-party messenger which Google has configuration instructions for on its Gtalk site. It is usually considered the most popular multiprotocol messenger for OS X. A Google search for "Adium" (not a common word otherwise) returns over 1 million hits. It has well over 5000 users (I think the last estimates were around 30,000 - 40,000) and has been around since OS X 10.0. Adium is one of the "big three" third-party messengers for OS X: Proteus, Fire, Adium. I'm amazed that someone added the Notability template to this page. David dchoby98, Adium Developer Just a note: GRAHAMUK's comment, the one David was referring to, was about a previous version of the page, and Adium has since been rewritten. Starting with a nice request and suggestions on how to make this entry more encyclopaedic, instead of a hostile demand, would be a great way to improve this entry. If you would like to contact one of the Adium developers, head to. A quick search revealed others quite like it, for other instant messengers: Trillian (instant messenger), Fire (instant messenger), MSN Messenger, AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, iChat, many of which are far more ad-like than this one. I'm afraid that I don't understand what you dislike about this page. It's also not important enough to warrant a link on the Mac OS X page, sorry. I'm going to point it out on votes for deletion, so get your act together or expect to see it gone. This page is just a free advert for the software, it is not an encyclopedia article.
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